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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana
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Posted - 2014.09.23 20:35:00 -
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So I read that the ADS was getting a(relatively) huge nerf, funny cause my alt litteraly got level 5 in it, but that's beside the point. What I REALLY LOVED about what CCP Ratatati did was that he actually payed attention to the game to find what was wrong with it. Sure it isn't a popular change that everyone wanted, but that's fine. I have a great deal of respect for his decision, Ratatati didn't need ANYONE to point out an indescrepency in the game. Rather than just doing what the players said and allowing the ADS to continue to have double the rate of fire as a regular turret., Ratatati saw the issue himself and made his decision.
It also disgusts me how players try to hide such descrepencies. Every ADS pilot knew this was an issue, but they tried to keep the playerbase in the forums away from the issue by suggesting a buff to swarms. In the same manner that the FOTM Scouts of 1.8 tried to avoid a nerf by suggesting that ONLY a buff to assaults would balance out their suit. Both got the raw end of the stick for thier playstyle because they refused to admit that there was an issue with what they were doing. Not only that, players who did not abuse the system were/will be included in the beating with the nerf bat.
It's unfair to a percentage of players that don't know, but what can you do? People WILL continue to do this, no matter what tactic they find, no matter how broken something is, the playerbase WILL abuse it, and turn around and complain when it gets nerfed. It's hilarious, and sad at the same time. The narcissim of people who run the FOTM is just hilarious, "oh yeah I'm gonna run (insert whatever broken thing here), it's so strong because it takes skill to run, and I'm SOOO gud." Then, "waat! ccp plz don't nurf my (insert whatever broken thing here) it's only OP because of the color it has, not how I can OHK (insert whatever other suit here) by just crouching and hitting L4, dat takes skill."
In conclusion, if you don't want to get completely shafted, if you know something is broken with whatever you're doing please discuss it within intelectual parameters because if you don't someone else will notice, maybe even Ratatati will notice. Or don't either way someone's going to find out, and rather than being able to discuss the issue, you'll have to sit there and watch as your (insert whatever broken thing you use) , gets nurfed to the ground for X amount of time...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.09.23 20:40:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:
It also disgusts me how players try to hide such descrepencies. Every ADS pilot knew this was an issue, but they tried to keep the playerbase in the forums away from the issue by suggesting a buff to swarms. In the same manner that the FOTM Scouts of 1.8 tried to avoid a nerf by suggesting that ONLY a buff to assaults would balance out their suit. Both got the raw end of the stick for thier playstyle because they refused to admit that there was an issue with what they were doing. Not only that, players who did not abuse the system were/will be included in the beating with the nerf bat.
I agreed with you until this part. Scouts admitted they were op and even suggested nerfs to rattati. Maybe a couple fake scouts didn't but the majority recognized that there was an issue.
I was talking about the FOTM scouts, but no most scouts, at least on the forums, simply replied to all suggested changes to scouts with the old, " scouts are fine, just buff assaults."
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.09.23 21:03:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:
It also disgusts me how players try to hide such descrepencies. Every ADS pilot knew this was an issue
Every pilot knew skill 'stacking' was an issue (even the ones who argue to let it stay agree with that) No one in their right mind thought the normal rate of fire bonus was Over the top, because without it the small rail is worthless as av (but still has the range and accuracy to pop your head off as infantry. Small missiles have always been the thing people agree are key to ads, it's been said again and again, but it just gets ignored... Bonus rate of fire is meaningless. Those pilots you see go 30+ kills without a death are using missiles, I don't use a Python therefore I don't get any RoF bonus on missiles, yet I still can go a butt load of kills against av using missiles. Try it with a blaster and lololol or a Python with small rails (they die so easily it's not even funny.) But as per usual people just wanted to see a nerf to dropships, as with every patch... Congrats you got one and left room for another in the next hotfix... That's win win I guess. Edit - But yeah pilots suck because they try to hide things people don't read when they do make suggestions.
My LAV with a particle cannon begs to differ about AV,(then again I am just one person who is able to take down ADS/Tanks this way so it's circumstacial evidence at best. ) Maybe you're right, maybe Rails are terrible at AV without the 50% bonus, maybe you should have discussed it with other players on the forums, after all when it comes to balancing everything that is inconsistent should be subject to change. Also, I never read anything in the rebalancing of dropships about the ROF of the small rails and missiles in ADS...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
288
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Posted - 2014.09.23 21:36:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:
Maybe you're right, maybe Rails are terrible at AV without the 50% bonus, maybe you should have discussed it with other players on the forums
Maybe I should have 'again' you mean... It's out there but as backed up again by your arrogance no one reads it. Also there's a difference between aiming a turret from a stationary position and aiming from a moving dropship, not to mention firing from the front turret on an ads includes getting your dropship in the way of what you're shooting at. & since you're so good at taking out 'militia' and 'badly fitted' tanks with your small rail, how about trying it on an rep stacked maddy... Good luck it'll be a long fight if it doesn't turn around and blow you to pieces straight away.
I never said 'badly fitted,' or "militia'. (favorite kill:derrith eraditor with a basic rail on a methana, is used a bhmg to take out the body that flew out). Anyway I gave you the benefit of the doubt and checked all your posts and nothing was posted about ROF of the ADS, so you obviously didn't do you're part to help balance the game... Anyway from my experience on my pilot alt it's not that hard to line up shots and blow things to bits, the only real issue is how expensive it is to use...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.09.23 22:20:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Anyway I gave you the benefit of the doubt and checked all your posts and nothing was posted about ROF of the ADS & you did a really stellar job... Derpty Derp wrote:
honestly I want the ads rof bonuses gone, they are not balanced and are not needed, I didn't even skill into them for a long time and it's still easy enough to kill a forge gunner without missile speed as it is also easy to down a tank without the rof bonus for rails.
There's 1 now waste some more time if you like... I'm done my point is proven & my care is lacking.
I apologize, thank you, the one ADS pilot that tried to help with balance ...here's a cookie (80) it's a cookie...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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